Caleb very good points. I kept my response short because it is a waste of time arguing with conspiracy theorist.
I too live in Florida around Tampa area.
so i was fooled by the witnesses.
what can i learn from that?
not to accept things at face value but to seek out opinion and different view points.. hence my question " do you believe man landed on the moon?.
Caleb very good points. I kept my response short because it is a waste of time arguing with conspiracy theorist.
I too live in Florida around Tampa area.
my understanding (very limited and maybe flawed) is that this commission has no teeth.
if thats true why would the org care?
send a few lawyers, go through the motions but in the end.... its a dog parking on a porch.
I think the impact for the USA is now the lawyers here have recorded testimony that perhaps didn't exist. The Royal Commission seems to be doing a through job in their questioning.
so i was fooled by the witnesses.
what can i learn from that?
not to accept things at face value but to seek out opinion and different view points.. hence my question " do you believe man landed on the moon?.
The Soviet Union was in fierce competition with the US and beat America early in the race. I don't recall at any time the Soviet Union claiming the landing was fake.
With most conspiracy theories I've read they all have one common problem. The sheer amount of people it would take to be involved in the theory. To fake the moon landing would involved thousands of people. All the astronauts, people at NASA, movie directors, prop handlers, ect.. it would be impossible to keep a secret.
we've been focusing on the fact that geoffrey jackson will be subpoenaed to be a witness at the australian royal commission but he will also be required to present a witness statement before his appearance.
even if he continues to wiggle out of the appearance he has no excuse for not presenting his witness statement.. this statement will have to address questions set out by the commission and will need to be answered.
without doubt the answers he is able to be aided by his lawyers and more 'experienced' jws but as he is signing the document they will be his answers and he will be responsible for their truthfulness.. had he shown more willingness to appear prior to yesterday the questions asked by the commission in that statement would not have been written with the same amount of insight that they now have.
i actually started clapping at that point, as his honour explained to the wt type creep sycophantic slithery lawyer that........" i understand that we all have issues to face in life and .....that is a part of life...........however it has become obvious that this man ....is in such a position to assist with this investigation.....".
it boils down to the fact that stewart outright accused the latest witness of misleading the royal commission and this lead to some document searches which led his honour to conclude that they had been protecting mr jackson.
this was a warm and fluffy moment folks.................brilliant stuff!!!!!
when there's a malfunction in a product that causes an injury or death, the head of the corporation is held accountable not the salesmen selling the product.
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why aren't the governing body members being investigated when they are the root cause of the child abuse issues and the re-victimization that takes place after?.
there was a time when the abuse issues in the catholic church were first starting to be exposed.. now, they were fully aware that they had the exact same issues that they too were covering up.. what did they choose to do?.
they could have "learnt" and said "man, that looks bad and we know we have the same problem - but at least we can learn something and put processes in place to make sure we clean up our act".. they could have done nothing themselves but refrained from criticized the catholic church knowing that they had the same skeletons in their own closet.. what did they actually do?.
they wen't full guns criticizing the catholics for something they knew they were completely guilty of as well, painting themselves as 'the good guys where this sort of thing would never happen' but the only processes they put in place were to tighten up how cover-ups were managed and to make sure the local elders knew how to silence any incidents.
our friend, oompa, has passed away.
just recieved the news a couple of hours ago, and have almost no details.
it happened today or yesterday, he took his own life.
I was a lurker and remember his posts and this one, but I didn't create an account till later on. It brought back memories of another JW in my congregation that hung her herself at the young age of 30. That was nearly 15 years ago. Though she didn't realize it, the religion was a great source of her depression. I wonder how many active JWs and DF JWs have died on account of this religion.
RIP OOMPA and all the victims of the Watchtower
https://www.revealnews.org/article/she-spoke-about-jehovahs-witness-abuse-and-her-home-was-vandalized/i've been watching this gal all week too in addition to the rc developments in australia.
they just ran an article about her yesterday, and she found this vandalism this morning.
i hope it's not staged because that would hurt her credibility, but they ran with this story today:.
if ray franz would have kept his mouth shut and not disfellowshipped, and remained part of the governing body how many of us ex-jw would still be trapped in the cult?.
would we have come this far?.
I only heard a little about him from active JW. He was cast as an evil apostate and was told to avoid his book. I woke up in my early teens, actually on the day I was baptized. I'm thankful I only wasted my childhood in the cult. Well not really wasted as it wasn't a totally bad experience. My parents weren't uber JWs.
I learned about Ray Franz many years after I left and found his book to be more of an assurance I made the right decision. It confirmed what I deduced about the organization.